tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4886491474303385529.post1457246601080592407..comments2023-04-22T09:22:21.628-07:00Comments on the dorbel daily: Backwoods v. zyxtcba part 4dorbelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13383981659478145403noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4886491474303385529.post-59430394506798221242012-02-15T00:21:29.223-08:002012-02-15T00:21:29.223-08:00Thanks Timothy. I appreciate your comments and sug...Thanks Timothy. I appreciate your comments and suggestions always and I quite understand the points that you are trying to make. My approach to rollout results may not be consistent, but it is very important for me to write in my own way, a way that reflects my particular approach to the game. The minutiae of rollouts is not interesting to me and those who do find it helpful can do their own rollouts with their own settings. <br />"Not definitive" in this particular position means that 13/3 is ahead by 1/100th of a point, but with confidence intervals that do not make this a definite result. To all intents and purposes, the two plays are equal. The really interesting point is that it might be right to select 13/3 if playing a master (in order to keep the game as simple as possible) but go for 13/7, 13/10 if playing a weaker player (in order to seek complication).<br />I have thought about this a lot. I can post full rollout results, I can post IDs for Gnu and XG, I can post the pipcount, but the more work I do for the reader, the less he or she will engage with the position. Things thatyou find out for yourself are much more likely to stay in your head than things that one is told.dorbelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383981659478145403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4886491474303385529.post-47785282117358683752012-02-14T13:27:58.167-08:002012-02-14T13:27:58.167-08:00Paul, I understand your point about how rollout re...Paul, I understand your point about how rollout results stifle debates. However, it strikes me that you're not consistently following your own philosophy. You do, in fact, post rollout results, because you say, for example, that "a 2592 game 3-ply rollout also makes this a small but not definitive favourite." What I notice is that you just post verbal summaries like that, without posting the full information provided by the bot. I find that, if anything, posting a summary like that stifles debate <i>more</i> than posting the full rollout information. Often, when someone posts the full output, I'll notice certain things about it, such as the standard deviations, or the pseudocubeless win and gammon numbers, that provoke further questions and ideas for further analysis of the position. If you just say that 13/3 is a "small but not definitive favorite," there's nothing to stimulate further thought (how small? how definitive? because it wins more games or because it loses fewer gammons? etc.)<br /><br />I'd recommend that if you are serious about not posting rollout results, then you also refrain from mentioning the results of any rollouts as well. That is the philosophically consistent thing to do.Timothy Chowhttp://alum.mit.edu/www/tchownoreply@blogger.com